needshumility: (where's my red carpet?)
needshumility ([personal profile] needshumility) wrote2011-06-04 07:27 pm

1.1.01.01.016: The Ishihara test is final and cannot be reviewed, nor retaken

If the only way you could have total freedom within a society is to be literally invisible to that society, would you consider it worth it? If it took to technically not exist to be able to live by your own rules, would you want that?

Or would it be too lonely? Is there any point in that freedom when you can't share it with anyone, and you're left as an observer to a society where nobody else had any freedom at all?

[Wardens-Eddie-likes filter (doctors, Howie and other officious types excluded. George is in, though)]

There's... some concepts I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of, and after talking to my inmate, I think it's quite important to understand them.

God, and the afterlife.

I've talked to a few people, and no offence, they seem to have done their best to explain it, but it seems a little fuzzy still.

Is god a physical person? If so, why is he a god above everyone else? If not, why do people call themselves goddesses here? What's the difference between people who say there's one god, and those who say there's lots, responsible for different things? Which one's right?

Are both right? Are none right?

Is the afterlife just... something the Previous think happens after death, or is it something specific? Why would someone say this place wasn't the afterlife... when it's clearly, um, after life? For the dead people, anyway.

[Private, seperately, to Sveta and Martha - video]

[Eddie comes on screen.] Hi. I found something and... I thought you might be able to tell me what it was about.

[He holds up a copy of a Ishihara test]

We found this in the library, and me and Jane can see different things in it. Why might that be? What's the purpose of this?

[Kitchen filter]

Could you spare me a piece of meat, by any chance? You probably won't get it back.

[Lab staff-folks]

My inmate wants to do an experiment, and if I'm supervising and he wants to come in to do something, is that alright? He's not doing anything dangerous, and I'll make sure nothing's taken.

[Private to Victor.]

I've asked for some meat, for that experiment you wanted to do. You can have the day off from work to do it, so pick whenever suits you.
knowsthepeople: (I'm listening patiently.)

[Exclusive Warden Filter]

[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-06-05 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I think technically, you can still be excommunicated, but again, don't really think the Pope cares about what some guy from Boston has to say.

I'm still Catholic because I was raised Catholic, and I don't have big enough problems with the way my church handles thing to bother switching to something else. And I agree with most of the important pahts, just not stuff about how only Catholics can get into heaven and you can't marry certain people oah get divorced from someone you shouldn't've married oah whatever.

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-05 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, so it's more to do with how you were raised?

[pause]

This is starting to make a lot more sense. Thank you.
knowsthepeople: (Huh I guess that's cute.)

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[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-06-05 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I think so. I mean, it's not outta the question to change what you wanna practice, but I think most people, if they're gonna practice a faith, tend to just stick with what they did when they were kids. It's kind of like tradition, you know?

And no problem, honestly. You got any other questions about it oah whatever, I'd be happy to answer, as best I can, anyway.

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-05 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I... I really do understand that.

Thanks.
knowsthepeople: (Smile.)

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[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-06-05 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure, guy. So, what got you askin' about it, if you don't mind me asking?

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-05 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
People keep mentioning the ideas of gods and the afterlife. I was trying to work it out, but then didn't follow a conversation with my inmate at all, so thought I best ask.
knowsthepeople: (Were you talking?)

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[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-06-05 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
There's really no like, religion or idea of an afterlife oah whatever where you're from?

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-05 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
No afterlife. There's... something I can relate religion to.
knowsthepeople: (Walkin'n'talkin.)

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[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-06-06 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah?

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
We have a set of infallible Rules, written by Munsell. Who created the Collective as we know it, and that gives us purpose in existence, I suppose.

[he doesn't sound all that sold.]
knowsthepeople: (I'm listening but I'm not happy.)

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[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-06-06 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Is Munsell your leader oah some guy who lived like, a hundred years ago?

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-06 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Over a hundred. Back at the Epiphany.