needshumility: (oops)
needshumility ([personal profile] needshumility) wrote2011-06-28 12:17 pm

1.1.01.01.020: Vulgar mispronunciations of everyday words will not be tolerated.

[Filtered away from Victor]

To make you all aware, for the next few days, my inmate will not be able to see who he is talking to. So please don't get angry if he doesn't recognise you - it's deliberate.

I, on the other hand, will be able to see who everyone is. If you abuse him, or treat him badly, just because you think he can't tell who you are - I will know, and I will step in. It won't be tolerated.

[sigh]

I'd also appreciate it if you didn't all automatically identify yourselves, as it kind of removes the point.

[Warden filter]

Alright, I know there's a flood on and if anyone's not themselves and knows it... wait to respond?

I need your cooperation, on quite a massive scale, to be perfectly honest, and I need to explain what's going on:

I'm going to be restricting my inmate's journal access, probably tomorrow, but in an unusual (apparently) way.

I want to restrict him to text and make all replies to him anonymous (am I using that right?). It has a purpose, I swear.

The problem is that I imagine some people will take advantage of this to insult him. I will be watching these conversations constantly, and I will be able to see who is who.

But I'd appreciate it if you could discourage your inmates from, um, [there is no word for 'trolling' in his vocabulary] antagonising him just because they're anonymous. It's not really an opportunity for everyone to come in and say what they really think of him - but for him to talk to people without his prejudices am I using that right getting in the way.

I hope this works.

[Private to Sarah]

I'm especially worried about your inmate.

[Private to Victor]

Victor, as of tomorrow, I'm placing a new restriction on your communications. Only for a few days, maybe even one day.

This might seem harsh, but it serves a purpose, and is not a punishment. It has never been a punishment.

I'm going to make it so you can't see who's responding to you, and you will receive everything as text. I will not allow for people to abuse you, don't worry about that, I'll be able to see who's who and keep track of it.

[Private to the Admiral]

As of tomorrow, can you please make it so my inmate can only receive text - all other posts should be transcripted for him. Can you also make it so he can't see who is replying to him, but I can? Also, he should always be able to see me and talk to me, in any medium.

Make this last for tomorrow and Thursday. I... might ask for less, or maybe more time, it depends.
una_persson: (headturn)

Re: Private

[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-28 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not the most common trait. Most people prefer tomorrow to be the same as today. But there are always a few who don't.

I like Jane, I must say. But she'd not mentioned any of that, it's true.

Re: Private

[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-28 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Tomorrow has been the same as today, but possibly a little stupider, since the Epiphany, if you ask me. That's all the Collective is about. Jane has a term for it - I've... gone and forgotten it, but there is one.

She wouldn't. It's... not like her.
una_persson: (headturn)

Re: Private

[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-28 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes things do tend to grow thicker. It can be a matter of stagnation or degeneration. What's the Epiphany?

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-28 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I... what do you mean by either of those words.

The Epiphany is when Munsell ordered society and wrote the Rules.
una_persson: (Default)

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[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-28 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Stagnation is a lack of progress, an absence of change. The repeating of the same societal rituals even if no one really remembers where they came from or what they mean. Degeneration can seem similar at first, but usually there's some kind of actual decay going on—matters get worse, people care less and less about even the rituals, much less what they were supposed to represent.

Re: Private

[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-28 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
...We might have a good measure of both.

Or the Leapbacks are degeneration in the name of stagnation. If that's possible.
una_persson: (headturn)

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[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-28 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
You've mentioned the term "Leapback" before, and so has Jane, I think. Is that what I think it is—some kind of systematic elimination of things from the past?

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-28 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly that, yes. It's... designed to 'simplify' things.

Except I'm not entirely sure what the point in Leapingback tractors was.
una_persson: (facepalm)

Re: Private

[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-29 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Tractors? Why—no, there probably isn't a sensible reason. There rarely is in this sort of situation.

If you ever feel like depressing yourself with Previous history and some examples of how little human nature has changed, find some reading in the library on Mao Zedong and the Great Leap Forward, and then on the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

...on second thought, maybe you shouldn't. I mean, it's very interesting history, but it will make you feel grim about humanity for days.

Re: Private

[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-29 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Because there's more value in doing the labour yourself, I imagine.

I'd rather know than not know. I... don't like being told I shouldn't know something.

I also currently am feeling quite grim about humanity, so it shouldn't be much of a leap.
una_persson: (chin in hand)

Re: Private

[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-29 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
And, of course, manual labour takes more time than mechanised labour, thus reducing time that might otherwise be available for questioning why the tractors were Leapbacked to begin with.

I admire that attitude, really. Well, you might find them to be of interest because in both cases, you're dealing with governments that attempted to phase out modernity and what they saw as decadence. The case of Cambodia is particularly horrifying—among many, many other terrible things, "intellectuals" were rounded up and worked to death and executed wholesale, and simply being able to speak another language or wearing glasses was sufficient to count one as an "intellectual".

Re: Private

[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-29 08:03 am (UTC)(link)
...

We have an underpopulation problem. There were so many Previous where we live, and now...

Hm.
una_persson: (oh sod)

Re: Private

[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-29 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I see where you're going with that, and no, you can't rule that possibility out, I'm afraid.

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-29 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I already suspected it, to be honest.
una_persson: (cornered)

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[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-30 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to confess, at times like this, it's hard not to believe O'Brien's continued belabouring of the notion that a system like his Party is the inevitable end of history.

Except I do know better. It's a stage in a cycle, no more. A depressingly large number of societies do stumble down that route eventually, but eventually the wheel turns again.

Re: Private

[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
It... does seem very... oh, Jane has a word.

It just keeps going. Nothing changes.
una_persson: (looking up)

Re: Private

[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-30 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Repetitive? Futile?

It needn't be. That's what keeps me going, really—the thought that someday I will find a world where tolerance and enlightenment simply haven't happened by accident.

Re: Private

[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a much more specific term, I'm sure of it.

...I hope you're right. [or he's dead.]
una_persson: (aha!)

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[personal profile] una_persson 2011-06-30 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll probably think of it half an hour later.

I have faith.

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[identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com 2011-06-30 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too. I'll remember at some point in the middle of the night.