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If you met my dad?

I've got nothing to apologise for, or be angry about, or curse his name for. I just hope you liked him. He's a good Swatchman.

[Warden filter, minus infirmary staff, and Narvin.]

A certain... recent incidents have made me wonder something.

Does anyone come from a world where it's acceptable to kill others if they're going to die a potentially long, drawn out, horrific death? By which I mean kill using medicinal means, with given permission and consent. Not just... using a instant-kill-gun and shooting them.

Also, I will consider anyone who informs my inmate that I asked this question as officially undermining my position.

On another note, does anyone have an inmate who's left and then returned?

[Private to Jane]

Do not mention the Green Room. Especially to Victor.

Also, Scarlet Pimpernel?

[Private to Victor]

Alright. Let's discuss Rex.

[Private to Rex]

Would you mind if I asked you a few questions about Victor?

[Coma-investigation Filter]

I'm working on a questionnaire right now. I'll have something ready very soon. Looks like we need it.
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Warden minus other people filter

Date: 2011-05-11 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeless-hacker.livejournal.com
Euthanasia? It's legal in a handful of countries in my world and done under the table in a number of others, but 'acceptable' would depend on who you talk to. It's a bit of a...morally contentious subject.

Re: Warden minus other people filter

Date: 2011-05-11 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
So it's a debatable concept in your world?

[He scribbles down euthanasia for later reference.]

But a common enough idea to have a specific term? Hm.

Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-11 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeless-hacker.livejournal.com
Very much so. This is a bit of a broad-strokes description, but the argument goes that either it's murder and denies any sort of hope for the patient's future, or it's a charitable act intended to give someone some dignity and control in the end stages of a painful illness. I'm sure there are books about it all in the library if you want to find out more.

Re: Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-11 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I actually don't need to read much about the concept, but thank you anyway.

I just wondered how commonplace it was, and where.

Do you, personally, find it morally objectionable? You don't have to answer.

~NO FILTERS~

Date: 2011-05-12 12:02 am (UTC)
requiresssacrifice: (Rex - Stare)
From: [personal profile] requiresssacrifice
Not over the network.

Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-12 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeless-hacker.livejournal.com
No, I don't. I think if someone with no realistic hope of recovery makes an independent decision to end their life and a doctor makes an independent decision to help them end that life painlessly, they should both have the right to make those choices.

Re: ~NO FILTERS~

Date: 2011-05-12 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
In person, then. I think it'd be preferable.

Re: Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-12 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Okay. I... thank you for your input.

Is this a common theme for most of the Previous? The uncertainty about whether it's right or not? Or is it just your world?

Re: ~NO FILTERS~

Date: 2011-05-12 12:13 am (UTC)
requiresssacrifice: (Rex - villainous overlord face)
From: [personal profile] requiresssacrifice
Fine. I'll be in the common room on the first floor.

Re: ~NO FILTERS~

Date: 2011-05-12 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I'll be there shortly.

Re: ~NO FILTERS~ Spam?

Date: 2011-05-12 12:20 am (UTC)
requiresssacrifice: (Rex - hoodies are totally evil)
From: [personal profile] requiresssacrifice
All right.

Re: Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-12 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeless-hacker.livejournal.com
That's....almost impossible for me to answer, honestly. But I would suggest that most worlds like mine will always debate over whether it's right or wrong to take a life prematurely in any circumstances.

spam. :D

Date: 2011-05-12 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
[Eddie was sat waiting, adjusting his tie a little, in the first floor common room. It hadn't taken long to get here at all.]

Re: Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-12 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
It's interesting, if you don't mind me saying so, that you think it's acceptable, but still describe the death as premature.

Re: spam.

Date: 2011-05-12 12:36 am (UTC)
requiresssacrifice: (Rex - Dismissive)
From: [personal profile] requiresssacrifice
[WELL, SOMEBODY'S EAGER. Rex entered the room, giving Eddie a suspicious little stare, brow furrowed.]

What do you want to know about that cretin?

Re: Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-12 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeless-hacker.livejournal.com
I'm using 'premature' in its most technical sense, to cover other medical life-or-death situations - abortion, for example. If you were to ask me if the voluntary euthanasia of someone suffering from a terminal disease was premature, I would say no.

Re: spam.

Date: 2011-05-12 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
[Eddie glances up at him,]

I'd like to hear your side of... what's between the both of you, and how he treats you.

[He paused] I'd like to find some resolution to this, and some way of making him understand what he's done wrong, but I need to... hear everyone's side of things first. Yours especially.

Re: Warden etc. filter

Date: 2011-05-12 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I see.

[he's gone to the dictionary again.]

Again, thank you for your input. It's most interesting.

Re: spam.

Date: 2011-05-12 12:56 am (UTC)
requiresssacrifice: (Rex - glower)
From: [personal profile] requiresssacrifice
Well, I could start from the beginning. When we met, I looked like this. He was perfectly polite-- friendly, eve. [He moved to take a seat, shrugging.] Until I went... home... and returned as I was before my surgery. [He had no idea if Eddie was familiar with his former appearance or not, but for now, he'd keep talking.] Then, I was a monster, unfit to be on the Barge, better left dead. [He waved a hand.] You've read his file; I'm sure your familiar with his pitiful theatrics.

Re: spam.

Date: 2011-05-12 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
[Eddie had heard some of this before, and seen certain posts, so was aware of his former appearance, so just nodded, thoughtfully and politely,]

I'm familiar with... his approach, yes.

[He paused,] So it was the initial change in opinion, and the reasons for it, which offended you? Understandably so, I must say.

[He looked down at his hands,] Two questions, then. Did things improve at all? [There was another question attached to that one, but he'd wait.] And have you spoken to him since, um, you were like that again?

Private

Date: 2011-05-12 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
Why not?

And fine. Is it better than Scarlet Letter?

Re: Private

Date: 2011-05-12 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
You have to be very, very careful with him and death. He... views it differently to us, and I don't think it's a bad thing, just different.

It has adventure, and sword fights and rescuing people.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-05-12 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
Well, that's fine. But...can I not mention it at all?

You're starting to get predictable with your books. Not that I mind.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-05-12 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I... I want them to trust me in the infirmary. And if what Toshiko says is true of all the Previous?

They might not want me there if they know that.

I'll admit, I'm just picking things with colours in the title. I've found one for you, but I'll save that for next week.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-05-12 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
The Previous don't make any sense. But I understand.

Next week is my choice, Red. So you can save it for the next time.
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