needshumility: (where's my red carpet?)
[personal profile] needshumility
If the only way you could have total freedom within a society is to be literally invisible to that society, would you consider it worth it? If it took to technically not exist to be able to live by your own rules, would you want that?

Or would it be too lonely? Is there any point in that freedom when you can't share it with anyone, and you're left as an observer to a society where nobody else had any freedom at all?

[Wardens-Eddie-likes filter (doctors, Howie and other officious types excluded. George is in, though)]

There's... some concepts I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of, and after talking to my inmate, I think it's quite important to understand them.

God, and the afterlife.

I've talked to a few people, and no offence, they seem to have done their best to explain it, but it seems a little fuzzy still.

Is god a physical person? If so, why is he a god above everyone else? If not, why do people call themselves goddesses here? What's the difference between people who say there's one god, and those who say there's lots, responsible for different things? Which one's right?

Are both right? Are none right?

Is the afterlife just... something the Previous think happens after death, or is it something specific? Why would someone say this place wasn't the afterlife... when it's clearly, um, after life? For the dead people, anyway.

[Private, seperately, to Sveta and Martha - video]

[Eddie comes on screen.] Hi. I found something and... I thought you might be able to tell me what it was about.

[He holds up a copy of a Ishihara test]

We found this in the library, and me and Jane can see different things in it. Why might that be? What's the purpose of this?

[Kitchen filter]

Could you spare me a piece of meat, by any chance? You probably won't get it back.

[Lab staff-folks]

My inmate wants to do an experiment, and if I'm supervising and he wants to come in to do something, is that alright? He's not doing anything dangerous, and I'll make sure nothing's taken.

[Private to Victor.]

I've asked for some meat, for that experiment you wanted to do. You can have the day off from work to do it, so pick whenever suits you.
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Re: [Private]

Date: 2011-06-06 08:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Right. Well, I'm sure that won't be too hard to do.

As long as nothing gets broken.

[Private]

Date: 2011-06-06 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
Do not fear, the things of the future are most fixable.

Re: [Private]

Date: 2011-06-06 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
...I'd still rather nothing got broken.

Warden frands filter

Date: 2011-06-06 08:54 am (UTC)
strangehistorian: (the frustrated)
From: [personal profile] strangehistorian
Oh, there seldom is a right answer, I'm afraid. Just a clear lesser of two evils if you're lucky.

Re: Warden frands filter

Date: 2011-06-06 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Hm. I see.

Isn't there the truth, though?

[Private]

Date: 2011-06-06 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
I will attempt to achieve this.

Warden frands filter

Date: 2011-06-06 09:09 am (UTC)
strangehistorian: (the confused D:)
From: [personal profile] strangehistorian
In simple cases there is! Like "is fire cold." No!

...Well. That's assuming your definition of "fire" is only inclusive of naturally-occurring heat combustion and not things that can mimic it and generally share a name, like felflame or coldflame. And, well, I suppose "hot" is also a matter of a opinion as well, depending on perception of heat - the natives of the Firelands would probably classify fire as falling under a large range of temperature descriptors which we would be unable to perceive the differences in because in order to judge you would need to be... on fire.

Re: Warden frands filter

Date: 2011-06-06 09:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
...That...

There's ambiguities everywhere. It's like asking me to explain Red, I suppose. A simple question, but... difficult.

Warden frands filter

Date: 2011-06-06 09:23 am (UTC)
strangehistorian: (the hero)
From: [personal profile] strangehistorian
Yes. It's why I find the perspectives of different worlds we find here fascinating. Something as simple as fire can have contexts and facets that redefine it depending on where the person you're talking to is standing.

Re: Warden frands filter

Date: 2011-06-06 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
It's certainly very interesting. And insanely overwhelming

[Exclusive Warden Filter]

Date: 2011-06-06 08:13 pm (UTC)
knowsthepeople: (I'm listening but I'm not happy.)
From: [personal profile] knowsthepeople
Is Munsell your leader oah some guy who lived like, a hundred years ago?

Re: [Wardens-Eddie-likes filter!]

Date: 2011-06-06 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com
Such as whom?

It can't be: there aren't any robes. And anyway: there are quite a few people here who aren't dead. We can't very well be in the afterlife.

Re: [Wardens-Eddie-likes filter!]

Date: 2011-06-06 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
But there's theories that Pookas are the dead come back. Maybe we're the opposite.

[pause]

You do have Pookas, don't you?

Re: [Exclusive Warden Filter]

Date: 2011-06-06 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Over a hundred. Back at the Epiphany.

[Wardens-Eddie-likes filter!]

Date: 2011-06-06 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com
You mean like faeries? We have faeries, but they're not dead: they're little girls with insect wings.

Re: [Wardens-Eddie-likes filter!]

Date: 2011-06-06 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
No, no, they don't have wings.

They're... Pookas.

[Wardens-Eddie-likes filter!]

Date: 2011-06-06 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com
Have you ever met one?

Re: [Wardens-Eddie-likes filter!]

Date: 2011-06-07 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Not... really.

It's weird and complicated, Pookas.

[Wardens-Eddie-likes filter!]

Date: 2011-06-07 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com
The fair-folk aren't a very sociable lot.

Date: 2011-06-07 11:10 pm (UTC)
ifightfor: (no wai!)
From: [personal profile] ifightfor
Suggest that lack of interference in society due to maxim that observer changes behavior of observed party, if historians existed to record ongoing course of history.

Alternative explanation: Unwillingness to seize power offered by unique position.

Date: 2011-06-07 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
But how can anyone stand to be an observer who can't help anyone?

Date: 2011-06-07 11:20 pm (UTC)
ifightfor: (id disc)
From: [personal profile] ifightfor
Design.

[There's a few moments of wait, then Rinzler adds more text:]

If primary purpose is to observe well without interference, then a Program would not consider helping.

Date: 2011-06-07 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
But he's not a Program. He's... a person.

Date: 2011-06-07 11:31 pm (UTC)
ifightfor: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ifightfor
Possibility exists for Users to act like Programs. [And, supposedly, for the reverse to be true. Rinzler's not going to admit that outright.]

Date: 2011-06-07 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
But why would they?
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