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If the only way you could have total freedom within a society is to be literally invisible to that society, would you consider it worth it? If it took to technically not exist to be able to live by your own rules, would you want that?

Or would it be too lonely? Is there any point in that freedom when you can't share it with anyone, and you're left as an observer to a society where nobody else had any freedom at all?

[Wardens-Eddie-likes filter (doctors, Howie and other officious types excluded. George is in, though)]

There's... some concepts I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of, and after talking to my inmate, I think it's quite important to understand them.

God, and the afterlife.

I've talked to a few people, and no offence, they seem to have done their best to explain it, but it seems a little fuzzy still.

Is god a physical person? If so, why is he a god above everyone else? If not, why do people call themselves goddesses here? What's the difference between people who say there's one god, and those who say there's lots, responsible for different things? Which one's right?

Are both right? Are none right?

Is the afterlife just... something the Previous think happens after death, or is it something specific? Why would someone say this place wasn't the afterlife... when it's clearly, um, after life? For the dead people, anyway.

[Private, seperately, to Sveta and Martha - video]

[Eddie comes on screen.] Hi. I found something and... I thought you might be able to tell me what it was about.

[He holds up a copy of a Ishihara test]

We found this in the library, and me and Jane can see different things in it. Why might that be? What's the purpose of this?

[Kitchen filter]

Could you spare me a piece of meat, by any chance? You probably won't get it back.

[Lab staff-folks]

My inmate wants to do an experiment, and if I'm supervising and he wants to come in to do something, is that alright? He's not doing anything dangerous, and I'll make sure nothing's taken.

[Private to Victor.]

I've asked for some meat, for that experiment you wanted to do. You can have the day off from work to do it, so pick whenever suits you.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
Would you rather be someone like Tommo? Or Jabez?

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I'd rather be someone like me.

[pause]

Is that... Worship of the Me, do you think, or not?

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
No. I want to be me, too. But that doesn't make us like them.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I didn't think it did.

Just checking.

Jane, do you actually know what Worship of the Me is? I couldn't really explain it to Victor.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
I've always thought of it as...putting yourself above everyone else. Doing what is right for you, rather than what's right for the Collective.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
That's how I described it to Victor.

Do you think everyone here does that, and just that?

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
Not everyone. Most people. They are...very selfish. And while I'm not particularly keen on the way that the Collective is run, I still think that it's better than everyone thinking only of themselves.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
It'd be nice if there was some way of actually having a Collective which didn't involve... our Collective.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
Or any other Collective I've heard about here.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
A man...I don't remember his name. And O'Brien. They have Collectives. And not very appealing ones, either.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Do you think they're the only choices, then? Collectives, or worship of the me?

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
I hope not. I've been given some authors to read by someone else. A...friend. [Even though she hadn't actually asked.] And I'm hoping I can find something in there to answer that.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
What are the books about?

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
Government, I think? I haven't had time to find anything yet.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Tell me if you do. I didn't know they wrote books about that.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
I will. I might send relevant parts through the pipes if I know you're in.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Jane, where am I going to be except in?

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
Eating. Fiddling with your camera on deck. In the infirmary. Out with your inmate.

Idiot.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Well, wait until after ten.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com
I was planning on that.

Re: Private

Date: 2011-06-05 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Good, because I'm in for anything you want after ten, so you won't miss me.

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