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If you met my dad?

I've got nothing to apologise for, or be angry about, or curse his name for. I just hope you liked him. He's a good Swatchman.

[Warden filter, minus infirmary staff, and Narvin.]

A certain... recent incidents have made me wonder something.

Does anyone come from a world where it's acceptable to kill others if they're going to die a potentially long, drawn out, horrific death? By which I mean kill using medicinal means, with given permission and consent. Not just... using a instant-kill-gun and shooting them.

Also, I will consider anyone who informs my inmate that I asked this question as officially undermining my position.

On another note, does anyone have an inmate who's left and then returned?

[Private to Jane]

Do not mention the Green Room. Especially to Victor.

Also, Scarlet Pimpernel?

[Private to Victor]

Alright. Let's discuss Rex.

[Private to Rex]

Would you mind if I asked you a few questions about Victor?

[Coma-investigation Filter]

I'm working on a questionnaire right now. I'll have something ready very soon. Looks like we need it.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-12 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
You- [Pause.] No. It is you who do not understand the situation. Rex is as the other creature was before. It masquerades as something good and decent, as something that is human. But it is not. It is not.

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Date: 2011-05-12 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
No, I've talked to him, he is human, it's not a masquerade, and I don't care if that's what you believe - if you tell someone you believe that about them, that they're no better than a creature, they're going to get upset, and they're going to react badly.

If nothing else, that should prove to you he's human.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-12 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
You have merely fallen into his trap. I do not wish to listen to these ramblings.

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Date: 2011-05-12 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
No, Victor. I haven't fallen into any trap.

What I'm talking about here is basic human emotion. If you called me subhuman or implied I was some how deficient because I can't see in full colour? I'd be offended. I'd be seriously hurt. Especially if you just kept doing it, even after corrected.

And I know better than to actually get back at you, but I'd want to. I'd be angry, I'd want to show you even more that you were wrong to say that about me. But Rex got angry and made malicious comments to get back at you - it wasn't right, but it's not a trap set by Rex, Victor. It's him reacting to the way you treated him.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-12 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
This is not the same. The inability to see colours has been reported by many in the scientific world. It is not comparable to the darkness within Rex.

I do not agree. It is not so. [But he sounds slightly less sure.]

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Date: 2011-05-12 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
But how much of that darkness have you perpetuated within him, Victor? Haven't you just made things worse, by treating him so badly?

And it might not be the same, but if you believed it was the same, you still shouldn't say it to me. Because it's offensive, and it will get a reaction.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-13 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
[Hitting his monster issues pretty hard there, Eddie.] This is not do. It is he who has done all thees things.

What would you have me do? Would you have me smile at him and hide the truth? Because I would not do such a thing.

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Date: 2011-05-13 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
But why did he do those things, Victor? You were repeatedly rude and abusive to him, before he'd even hurt you.

I would have you realise this is your opinion, not some ultimate truth. And that expressing the opinion someone is inhuman like it is ultimate truth is offensive. Or, at least, admit some fault - see your role in this, and that if you want it to stop, it requires action from you both, not just him.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-13 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
He did these things because there is darkness lurking within him. I did not cause that.

I will admit that my actions were not gentlemanly. But I will not gather the blame for the actions of Rex.

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Date: 2011-05-13 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I am not asking you to take all the blame. I'm not saying his actions were right. I'm saying you had a role in provoking him. I'm saying how you treated him was bound to have an effect on him.

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Date: 2011-05-13 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I'm not blaming you entirely, Victor. He did things wrong. His reaction was wrong, yes. But you have some level of responsibility for that - you provoked him. You pushed him and pushed him, from what I can see, with insult after insult.

It doesn't justify what he did, no, but don't think yourself entirely blameless in the matter either.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-14 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
[Pause. A very long pause.] You are trying to make me believe this, are you not?

Re: [Private]

Date: 2011-05-14 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
I'm trying to make you understand it, yes. I'm not putting all the blame at your feet, Victor, but I am.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-15 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
I do not see why this is necessary.

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Date: 2011-05-15 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
Because you need to take responsibility for your part in things.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-17 09:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
What would you have me do? I have apologised, which he did not accept.

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Date: 2011-05-17 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
You apologised because you were told to. Is that not true?

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-17 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
It was suggested, but the intent was sincere.

Re: [Private]

Date: 2011-05-17 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
But it definitely came across like your intent was to... do what your warden wanted. It might have been sincere, but it came across like you were doing it to tick boxes.

Which is a fault of wording, not intent, I admit.

Can you see why it came across that way, if you read it again now?

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-17 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
Many informed me of this fact at the time. It was most disappointing.

I can see such things, one supposes. Yet how is one to prevent them? The people of the future are most unpredictable.

Re: [Private]

Date: 2011-05-17 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
They're pretty confusing to me too, I'll admit.

But firstly, don't do it when I tell you. Just do it because you want to make things better. If you don't, don't do it.

And when you do it, instead of looking for little things to compliment him on, acknowledge that you want to apologise for what you did before, and try and have a civil conversation with him. Without... making comments on his humanity or anything. Talk about science, and things you might have in common. Treat him like a human being, and an intelligent one, and he might see that you mean it.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-18 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
Perhaps you are correct in this sentiment. I may listen to your advice, but only undertaker it if I desire to do so.

I do not know if this is a good idea. Rex has no desire to converse with me.

Re: [Private]

Date: 2011-05-18 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
It probably isn't right now, and respecting that instead of pressing it might be better. But one day, you might have to talk to each other in one situation or another, and then you have to demonstrate you mean it.

[Private]

Date: 2011-05-19 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] failedcreator.livejournal.com
I will do so when the chance arises, provided that he does not undertake further evil action on his part.

Re: [Private]

Date: 2011-05-19 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] needshumility.livejournal.com
If he does undertake 'evil action', make sure, if you are going to say anything to criticise the action, rather than insist he is a 'monster' or anything else.

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